CONTEXT:
PLATO’S CRITICISM OF ATHENIAN DEMOCRACY
John Cooper: Pyshcological state
Melissa Lane: Socrates and Plato introdcution - how they differ
Malcom Schofield - questions how desireable Plato’s ideal society really is by critiquing the readitional reading of ‘The Republic’ as a ideal blueprint.
Scholarship development and contributions
Critique ideas
What is atypical about Plato’s thinking?
(1) Philosophers should be Kings, and Kings should be philosophers
–the only way to achieve good governance is if philosophers obtain political power
—the most virtuous and educated men, capable of governing
–those most suited to power are those who do not seek it
(2) Does not align with factionalism, suggesting compartmentalisation of diff. types of government are flawed
–sometimes society’s govt. need to be blended
—prevalent in his work; includes both democratic and anti-democratic characteristics
—-e.g., socialism: seek collective happiness and prevent oppression
—-fascism: censorship and deception is acceptable to maintain order
—-oligarchical: power is concentrated in the hands of a few (but these are the men who, through trials and tribulations, have proven to be the most virtuous and worthy).
(3) Athens / Sparta divide
–creates a constitution without aligning with either state
–Athens - intellectually driven
–Sparta - militaristic in its organisation
How does Plato define justice?
‘it is just to pay everyone what is owed to them’ (B1,pg6)
–respond to someone according to the calibre of their intensions, .: response accordingly
What are the questions Plato asks about Justice?
(Q1) The issue of judgement
–to what extent are our friends always just, and enemies unjust?
—how do we remain just?
(A1) ‘It is just to help a friend if he is good, and harm an enemy if he is bad.’ (pg11)
–how do we distinguish good and bad if we are biased in our opinion of their character; this affects our assumptions about their intentions (our history with them).
(Q2) How to remain just
–can a just man remain just if he inflicts injustice, or is he from now on unjust, as a just man would never engage in unjust action?
–if not, then it is not just to respond accordingly, but unjust instead.
What is Glaucon’s argument about justice? (not about what justice is, but if being unjust is more profitable)
Why does Plato believe justice is more profitable than injustice?
What is justice in a city sense?
What is Plato’s response to Thrasymachus’s idea of justice?
**If we assume that the strong will rule as they are the ones capable of achieving positions of power, then according to Plato’s philosophy, philosophers will still rule in a virtuous way; interests of the philosopher align with the interests of the public.
What is a just man?
Where does Plato beleives peoples’ concepts about justice and injustice start?
At a young age, therefore education and upbrining should be tailored to create just and honourable men and women
* city needs guardians, but Plato is concerned about the education and upbrining of the defenders of this city
* (1) censorhip of unfavourable stories
* e.g., one which shows there are no repercussions to unjust action
* this would normalise betryal, deciet and and brutality amongst their own people - dangrous of those in posiitons of defence, who need to foster trust.
* e.g., stories blaming God
* this would allow men to evade indiv. respb. by blaming unsavoury characterisitcs and instances on God, rather than their own deficint character
What does Thrasymachus say about justice?
‘Justice is simply what is good for the strong.’ (B1,pg. 15)
–the ruler will forever and always act to achieve their own ends; through their strength and knowledge, they come to understand how injustice is more profitable.
–stronger rulers will engage in the unjust rule because it is individually beneficial, and as the pinnacle of strength, they are not constrained by any other higher power
Why is the tyrannical man unhappy?
Why is being just more profitable?
How does Plato connect a man to their correlating political regime?
Timocracy
Oligarchy
Democracy
Tyranny