Week 12 - Misogynist Hate Groups (Lecture)

Question 1

What is the definition of hate groups?

Answer 1

Groups that advocate for or participate in hate, hostility or violence toward members of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender (or gender identity), or sexual orientation. We can find them in any country or society. In some societies they are even part of the government.

Question 2

What is the definition of misogynist hate groups?

Answer 2

groups that target women, feminist and their supporters

Question 3

What is the manosphere?

Answer 3

a collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminist.

Question 4

What does it mean “Taking the Red Pill”?

Answer 4

Learning about and accepting the idea that society is biased against men because of the influence of feminism (promoting misandry). It leads to very misogynistic beliefs.

Question 5

What are incels?

Answer 5

• Incels (involuntary celibates): An online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women and develop hostility towards women and sexually active men (and sometimes even society). Incels have their own version of the red pill.

Question 6

What does “Taking the Blackpill” means?

Answer 6

Learning about the fatalistic belief that some men are particularly unattractive and can never be in a romantic relationship with a woman.

Question 7

What is the origin of the word incels and what it became and what are its members?

Answer 7

The origin of the word incel: Student of Toronto that said that men or women that want relationships but are unable to get it. Started as something people identified themselves as but transformed as an insult. Now a men group self-identified as heterosexual. About 100,000 active members, a little bit less now because their site has been shot down, but it is hard to say how many are in accord with those ideologies. Half white/half other racial ethnicities, all male under 30, 80% or America and Europe but not only. 85% have never had a romantic relationship, but some of them have. Clinical depression, anxiety, high rate of autism, other types of neurodivergence and disorder. High rate among them who are not employed, not a school and not in training. Relatively less educated than other people. Many of them still live at home with their parents.

Question 8

What are incels forum?

Answer 8

Spaces where they have discussions about the world and themselves and are cherry picking some points in biology and psychology papers. They have their jargons that are familiar to them. Stacys are these attractive and women that are attracted to the 20% of men. Chad are attractive men, who are part of the 20% very attractive male. Normies, normal people but not incels, they are to blame, because they support the system.

Question 9

What is the 80/20 rule?

Answer 9

Stacys are 80% of these attractive women that are attracted to the 20% of men. Chad are attractive men, who are part of the 20% very attractive male. 80/20 is a misinterpretation of another rule saying that 80% of the consequences come from 20% of the causes.

Question 10

What is the link with the Adolescent serie?

Answer 10

Jamie believes in the 80/20 rule, believes he is ugly and has violent tendencies. Most of the self-identified incels are not violent physically.

Question 11

What do incels underestimate?

Answer 11

Attraction if much more than just looks. Incels tend to underestimate the fact that developing a relationship takes a lot of commitment and trying. If they don’t try, they are not going to get into one for sure. By adopting these ideologies, it sets you behind, and how do you expect women to like you if you despise them.

Question 12

What is the first act of terror recognized by the canadian court from an incel?

Answer 12

Eliot Rodger, the Toronto massage parlor murder

Question 13

What do incels do?

Answer 13

They often rape and sexual violence and more general violence against society, because they believe society is responsible for that, by allowing it to happen. Some of them also have political demands, which would qualify them as a terrorist group. Type of political demands: cut off the escape route for women, if we cut the ways for women to go to college they will want to marry, legalizing prostitution.

Question 14

What is their arguments for saying that women control access to jobs?

Answer 14

• “ After you get an interview, you’ll see its mostly foids (women) who do this kind of thing. So if they don’t like your face or anything else it’s pretty much over”.
• Too many worthless young, liberal minded hiring manager foids who will not give me a chance despire a hard work ethic, intelligent mind. Everythi

Question 15

What is their argument for justifying the importance of physical appearance?

Answer 15

• “Looks permeate everything. EVERYTHING… How many studies showing parents love ugly children less, that for every inch

Question 16

What can we do about incels?

Answer 16

Very easy to thing they are sick, delusional and dangerous men. Hard for us to feel empathy for someone who hate women that much. If you are a woman, targeted by them, its really hard to be empathic. If we don’t try to understand first, things are not likely to get better. Many of their beliefs are far from reality but do not mean they don’t feel pain. Maybe try to think with them about concrete things that could help them get better and reintegrate society. Maybe try to reintegrate them into education system, work market… Do I want them as colleagues or at a workplace. Its also not true that they are all thinking the same way. They don’t all have the same views.

Question 17

What are the three internal debates of incels?

Answer 17

1. Ascending from Inceldom or avoiding women altogether. Some of them hope that someday they will be able to find a relationship. But they are told that they are not real incels for that. They are “fake cells”.
2. Expanding the community vs. gatekeeping their community
3. Should incels use violence? Quite a bit of disagreement in the community.

Question 18

What is the research of the 4th year PhD student?

Answer 18

4th year PhD student came to explain his research: Infiltrating neo-Nazi communities online and see how they used masculinity to bring young men into their communities. Scholars noted that misogyny is a common ideology between all those right focused groups (incels, neo-Nazi, …). Focused on American context. A lot of interconnecting between those groups… Recruitment strategies.